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regardless of sexual orientation. >> reporter: house republicans are now defending doma in court. >> the administration doesn't get to decide what's constitutional. the supreme court does. and our financing a lawsuit was to make sure that the proper forum was used to make sure we know what's constitutional and what isn't. >> reporter: the court hears the doma case on wednesday. the prop 8 case on tuesday. and both of them come here as public support for same-sex marriage is growing. different political climate than just four years ago when prop 8 became law. lester? >> pete, thanks. >>> at the vatican today, pope francis celebrated palm sunday mass before a crowd estimated at 250,000. he marked the start of holy week by encouraging people to be um balance and joyful and to lead simple lives. the pope from argentina announced he'll travel to neighboring brazil in july after the mass he climbed into a pope mobile to move among the crowd showing once again he enjoys connecting with the faithful. >>> when "nbc nightly news" continues on this sunday -- making and watching tv in a whole ne
regardless of sexual orientation. >> reporter: house republicans are now defending doma in court. >> the administration doesn't get to decide what's constitutional. the supreme court does. and our financing a lawsuit was to make sure that the proper forum was used to make sure we know what's constitutional and what isn't. >> reporter: the court hears the doma case on wednesday. the prop 8 case on tuesday. and both of them come here as public support for same-sex marriage is...
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doma, the defense of marriage act. it blocks federal recognition of same sex couples in states where they are allowed to marry, denying them about 1,000 federal benefits the other married couples get. when her spouse died and left her the estate, she got a bill from the irs for $363,000. >> i was heart sick. i lost the love of my life and i was heart sick. with this incredible expense. >> reporter: after president obama concluded the law is unconstitutional, house republicans entered the case to defend doma. >> thanks to pete williams who will join our coverage tomorrow and wednesday, if the high court strikes down doma, that would not automatically require states to permit same-sex marriage but the ruling could be a game changer for what all states are allowed to do. let's spin. jonathan capehart, friend of the show hark as piece out in the "washington post" today where he says, i don't think lgbt american fully appreciate how ten with us thing are on the court right now. he is very cautious. in factoring argues that
doma, the defense of marriage act. it blocks federal recognition of same sex couples in states where they are allowed to marry, denying them about 1,000 federal benefits the other married couples get. when her spouse died and left her the estate, she got a bill from the irs for $363,000. >> i was heart sick. i lost the love of my life and i was heart sick. with this incredible expense. >> reporter: after president obama concluded the law is unconstitutional, house republicans...
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i think doma is doomed. i think the only reason is just pure animus, dislike of gay people and i don't think anthony kennedy will sit still for that and i think there are five votes -- forget the whole federalism issue, it's a straight up equal protection argument that you can't discriminate against people like that. >> but if it is, why can the state do that by not recognizing the marriage in the first place? i'm for that but if you take seriously that equality argument jeff, that if she were married to a man she'd get the benefits but not if she was married to a woman, the deep logic argument is same-sex marriage everywhere, i'm for that. but i don't know if justice kennedy is yet. >> but you could write that opinion to limit it just to doma. you're a law professor, you can do a slippery slope in your sleep. (laughter) i'm talking about one case at a time here. >> i think at some level jeffrey is right, this is about core equality, core citizenship. the freedom to mar marry is based in the declaration of i
i think doma is doomed. i think the only reason is just pure animus, dislike of gay people and i don't think anthony kennedy will sit still for that and i think there are five votes -- forget the whole federalism issue, it's a straight up equal protection argument that you can't discriminate against people like that. >> but if it is, why can the state do that by not recognizing the marriage in the first place? i'm for that but if you take seriously that equality argument jeff, that if she...
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if the supreme court upholds doma, all of that remains the same. if they overturn it, the federal government will have to treat married people as married people. >> more than half of the country now in support of same-sex marriage. is it that way? does the court line up that way as well? >> this is always a very difficult question. what effect does public opinion have on the justices? the official answer is none. they just apply the constitution. the real-world answer is, plenty. there are five republicans and four democrats on the supreme court. that's pretty much all you need to know. however, one of the republicans is anthony kennedy who has been generally very supportive of gay rights. so many people think he will join the democrats in voting to overturn doma. >> when talking about interracial marriage, i would imagine it was a very similar situation at that time. >> the parallels to the case you're referring to, loving versus virginia, 1967, the case that said states could no longer ban racial intermarriage, that was a big deal at the time. an
if the supreme court upholds doma, all of that remains the same. if they overturn it, the federal government will have to treat married people as married people. >> more than half of the country now in support of same-sex marriage. is it that way? does the court line up that way as well? >> this is always a very difficult question. what effect does public opinion have on the justices? the official answer is none. they just apply the constitution. the real-world answer is, plenty....
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she is challenging doma, the defense of marriage act. she said she was forced to pay taxes when her wife died. >> it was incredible expense. >> meanwhile, people who want to witness the cases firsthand began lining up outside the court on thursday. using tents, tarps, even umbrellas to shelter from today's snowfall. they're hoping to receive one of the roughly 60 seats available to the public. we learn one of those who will be inside the court is the lesbian couple of chief justice john roberts. jean podrasky will attend the hearings with her partner of four years. podrasky said this about her cousin. i believe he sees where the tide is going. i do trust him. i absolutely trust that he will go in a good direction. public opinion on same sex marriage has shifted dramatically. a recent poll shows 58% think it should be legal. that is up, 37% just a decade ago. justice correspondent pete williams is live in washington. a lot of details there but we know there are many options for the supreme court in a decision here in both these cases. >>
she is challenging doma, the defense of marriage act. she said she was forced to pay taxes when her wife died. >> it was incredible expense. >> meanwhile, people who want to witness the cases firsthand began lining up outside the court on thursday. using tents, tarps, even umbrellas to shelter from today's snowfall. they're hoping to receive one of the roughly 60 seats available to the public. we learn one of those who will be inside the court is the lesbian couple of chief justice...
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and not allow anybody to get married. >> if they strike doma down on certain grounds, doma violates basic rights of equality, that leaves a lot that ban same-sex marriage dangling. >> scott: there is a question of standing and both cases asked both sides to argue why they have the right to be there. how big a deal is that? is that a sleeper issue? >> it is a big issue. one of the cues we have of that is the supreme court asked for briefing on that question and is allowing time for separate oral argument on that question in both cases. i think the issue of standing in relation to prop 8 is an interesting one. as vik said, the attorney general and governor from the get-go have not defended prop 8. the question is whether these proponents of prop 8 represented by mr. pugno we heard earlier have the right to do that. essentially, the ballots are private citizens. they are not people elected to make litigation decisions. you have a situation where you have private parties who might be able to make litigation decisions and have no accountability for that. nor any delegation of authority t
and not allow anybody to get married. >> if they strike doma down on certain grounds, doma violates basic rights of equality, that leaves a lot that ban same-sex marriage dangling. >> scott: there is a question of standing and both cases asked both sides to argue why they have the right to be there. how big a deal is that? is that a sleeper issue? >> it is a big issue. one of the cues we have of that is the supreme court asked for briefing on that question and is allowing time...
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and the doma case is even weirder. these are people who were married in their states. >> the state of new york would have recognized the marriage. >> there are people who dispute it. but now the governor of the state of new york. >> it was not settled in 2009 when the woman died. many any rate, there were people married under their state. >> why should those people have to come to congress in order to be treated with minimal debates ebright their own government when their state have married them? >> i think that brings the question of of minimal dignity. this gets to the whole question of exactly what doma does, which perhaps we can turn to. >> i want to do two things first. but first i want to ask paul, if the plaintiffs in doma are asking for some kind of rational basis or some kind of higher review, is there any basis for doing it if your state is medium rare or medium? >> i remember talking about the debora levels of scrutiny and it suggested that there was this -- for its intermediate scrutiny for gender. >> if yo
and the doma case is even weirder. these are people who were married in their states. >> the state of new york would have recognized the marriage. >> there are people who dispute it. but now the governor of the state of new york. >> it was not settled in 2009 when the woman died. many any rate, there were people married under their state. >> why should those people have to come to congress in order to be treated with minimal debates ebright their own government when...
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doma can affect over 1,000 benefits. everything from the way married couples pay their taxes to who getting notified as next of kin in the event military personnel are injured or killed in the line of duty. the first case on the docket on tuesday is a challenge to california's proposition 8 which defines marriage as between a man and a woman. it's about equal protection and whether the fundamental right of marriage extends to same-sex couples. it's being brought by same-sex couples from california who say they have the right to be married fp there is also a very interesting question here of whether the people defending proposition 8 are able to showi case. supporters of prop x 8 has to show same-sex marriage causes them tangible harm. >> it's interesting because there seems to be such optimism on the part of gay rights advocates that they will rule in their favor. >> and the question of course is whether now is the time. there has been an internal debate in legal circles whether this is the time to actually bring cases l
doma can affect over 1,000 benefits. everything from the way married couples pay their taxes to who getting notified as next of kin in the event military personnel are injured or killed in the line of duty. the first case on the docket on tuesday is a challenge to california's proposition 8 which defines marriage as between a man and a woman. it's about equal protection and whether the fundamental right of marriage extends to same-sex couples. it's being brought by same-sex couples from...
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doma bans the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriage. federal regulators want big pharmaceutical companies to stop paying drug companies from delaying the release of cheaper versions of brand name drugs. the deals unfairly force consumers to pay more money on their drug bills. >> 6:42. hope you got a chance to enjoy this weekend. it was beautiful. >> we have a gorgeous day shaping up. good morning to you, laura and marla. good morning to you. this is san francisco, beautiful start to the day here. you don't have a lot of fog to point out in this general picture. you will find some up in the north bay. big pockets developing up there. lelts show you s let's show you san jose. that officially comes in at 7:06. 40, 46 degrees in san jose. 46 for livermore. 41 in gilroy. 48 in sfraeps an francisco to t along the day. as we head throughout the day today, we will easily hit the 60s, low 60s by noon. upper 50s on the way to the coast. limited sunshine for the second half of the day and highs that are comfortable. it is not going to be that nice
doma bans the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriage. federal regulators want big pharmaceutical companies to stop paying drug companies from delaying the release of cheaper versions of brand name drugs. the deals unfairly force consumers to pay more money on their drug bills. >> 6:42. hope you got a chance to enjoy this weekend. it was beautiful. >> we have a gorgeous day shaping up. good morning to you, laura and marla. good morning to you. this is san francisco,...
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conservative leader rand paul says he believes in traditional marriage, but not doma. >> "i don't want the government promoting something i don't believe in, but i also don't mind if the government tries to be >> reporter: although recent polls show a majority of americans support of same sex marriage, california's attorney general says it's more important to read the constitution. >> "i am absolutely against a ban on same-sex marriages because because they are simply unconstitutional." >> reporter: i'm cristina mutchler reporting for kron 4 news. >> military officials say a soldier from hayward has died from wounds suffered last week in afghanistan. the department of defense says 31-year-old sergeant. 1st class james grissom died thursday from wounds he received from small arms fire on march 18. grissom was assigned to a special forces group and was shot in remote southeast afghanistan bordering pakistan. >> lots of sunshine around the bay area. temperatures fairly cool along the coast. just barely 50's & '60's along the coast. however, mid 70's for the inland valleys livermore. hand
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i think it's more obvious that doma should be struck down or the court will strike doma down. we're hopeful the court will extend rights in california, at least not set them back. it would be hard for the court to be too far out on public opinion in this instance, given the rate and the type of change that's happening around this fairness issue for same-sex couples. i'm confident that ultimately both cases will put us further down the road to marriage equality. just how far, i think we'll have to wait and see until the end of june. >> massachusetts attorney general martha coakley, thank you for coming on the program. we have two things we've been talking. one is the legal aspects. of course, the other is at the heart of prop 8, our two couples. before they went into the courtroom, they went before the cameras. let me play for you a few clips of what they had to say. >> jeff and i long to be married and start a family of our own and have the equal rights that are guaranteed to all americans that are in loving and committed relationships. >> sandy and i look forward to a day whe
i think it's more obvious that doma should be struck down or the court will strike doma down. we're hopeful the court will extend rights in california, at least not set them back. it would be hard for the court to be too far out on public opinion in this instance, given the rate and the type of change that's happening around this fairness issue for same-sex couples. i'm confident that ultimately both cases will put us further down the road to marriage equality. just how far, i think we'll have...
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. >> doma is important because congress said it was important. i mean we send our elected representatives to washington, d.c. an they chose to say that marriage is one man and one woman for purposes of federal law. >> reporter: and conservatives say the founding fathers never contemplated gay marriage. >> because it is clearly not what anyone understood as marriage at the time of the framing of the constitution. >> reporter: still, same-sex families pay taxes and don't get the same benefits and the issue with doma really gets complicated if they have children who are also excluded from benefits. >> when we have kids i would like them to be born in a post-doma united states. >> reporter: still, california as one of only a handful of states that gives most of the benefits of marriage to same-sex couples and domestic partnerships. one question is whether any ruling by the court on california could affect all of those other states in the same way. pred? >> thanks so much, joe. >>> so is there a feeling that the landscape on gay marriage is about to c
. >> doma is important because congress said it was important. i mean we send our elected representatives to washington, d.c. an they chose to say that marriage is one man and one woman for purposes of federal law. >> reporter: and conservatives say the founding fathers never contemplated gay marriage. >> because it is clearly not what anyone understood as marriage at the time of the framing of the constitution. >> reporter: still, same-sex families pay taxes and don't...
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>> i think on doma, there is a very strong possibility the court will strike that down. we'll say the federal government can't make a distinction between -- can't decide what marriage is, it has to defer to the states. on patrol 8, it could uphold prop 8, strike it down only in california, a decision that would apply only in california. it could say that california and any other state that recognizes civil unions can't then refuse to allow same-sex marriage that would apply to eight states or could do what david boyce and ted olson and two gay couples challenging prop 8 want the supreme court today and say no state can refuse to recognize same-sex marriage. so a range of possible outcomes. >> a wide range. and that's what bhax maix it so fascinating. pete williams, thank you. >> you bet. >>> and now that congress has finally funded the government through the end of the year, hooray, washington is pivoting to the next set of big issues on the agenda. guns and immigration. today, president obama will advocate for a comprehensive immigration reform plan at a naturalization
>> i think on doma, there is a very strong possibility the court will strike that down. we'll say the federal government can't make a distinction between -- can't decide what marriage is, it has to defer to the states. on patrol 8, it could uphold prop 8, strike it down only in california, a decision that would apply only in california. it could say that california and any other state that recognizes civil unions can't then refuse to allow same-sex marriage that would apply to eight...
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it will hear arguments for the defense of marriage act known as doma. we discuss the issues before the u.s. supreme court. it's the final stop on a long and winding legal road. let's begin with a look at how it all started. the week of valentine's day, 2004, newly elected san francisco mayor gavin newsom, boldly, some said recklessly orders to grant marriage
it will hear arguments for the defense of marriage act known as doma. we discuss the issues before the u.s. supreme court. it's the final stop on a long and winding legal road. let's begin with a look at how it all started. the week of valentine's day, 2004, newly elected san francisco mayor gavin newsom, boldly, some said recklessly orders to grant marriage
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and president clinton reversed and no longer likes doma. and do you think you'll he get the decision? >> we're hoping for a big win. the question -- the arguments and the questions that were asked are very interesting as you know, as a lawyer, it's fascinating. it's high drama, high legal drama. this is exciting as legal dr drama gets. i'm reluctant to get too much into the questions, you never know where the justices are going to end up. the important thing to remember, if the court decides to not issue a ruling or substantive ruling on the merits. if they decide to rule procedurally that the case is not ready for the decision. it's one of two lower court rulings is what is going to stand. and both the lower courts in this case ruled in favor of the plaintiffs. so-- >> meaning a win for gay marriage proponents if the supreme court punts on it. >> that's right. so if the court decides not to decide, the plaintiffs, the gay marriage advocates are going to be the winners in this. >> megyn: before i get to maggie, just as a procedural matter,
and president clinton reversed and no longer likes doma. and do you think you'll he get the decision? >> we're hoping for a big win. the question -- the arguments and the questions that were asked are very interesting as you know, as a lawyer, it's fascinating. it's high drama, high legal drama. this is exciting as legal dr drama gets. i'm reluctant to get too much into the questions, you never know where the justices are going to end up. the important thing to remember, if the court...
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conservative leader rand paul says he believes in traditional marriage, but not doma. >> "i don't want the government promoting something i don't believe in, but i also don't mind if the government tries to be neutral on the issue." >> reporter: although recent polls show a majority of americans support of same sex marriage, california's attorney general says it's more important to read the constitution. >> "i am absolutely against a ban on same-sex marriages because because they are simply unconstitutional." i'm cristina mutchler reporting for kron 4 news. >> secretary of state john kerry says he's made it clear to iraq that it shouldn't allow iran to use its airspace to ship weapons and fighters to syria. u-s officials believe shipments on iranian overflights are transporting weapons and fighters to the embattled syrian government. kerry says iraq's behavior in allowing use of the airspace raises questions about the country's reliability as a partner. >> a mall in los angeles is open again after more than a thousand workers and shoppers evacuated over a suspicious br
conservative leader rand paul says he believes in traditional marriage, but not doma. >> "i don't want the government promoting something i don't believe in, but i also don't mind if the government tries to be neutral on the issue." >> reporter: although recent polls show a majority of americans support of same sex marriage, california's attorney general says it's more important to read the constitution. >> "i am absolutely against a ban on same-sex marriages...
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good see you, richard. >> hi, fredricka. >> why do you suppose clinton at the time agreed to sign doma, despite being a supporter of gay rights. then have you o wonder whether his about-face will potentially make a difference. >> well, i think even though it was only 17 years ago when doma was pushed through congress by the republicans, it was politically very popular and president clinton was six weeks away from a re-election and i think that sums up why he signs it. i think the important thing now as he said in his opinion piece in the "washington post" two weeks ago, and as he has been saying since 2009, he's now a supporter of same-sex marriage. he's had the same kind of evolution that many americans have had and he believes the bill is now unconstitutional. >> a former president clinton not the only one. same-sex marriage has gained support from others. in the past few weeks from senator portman, the american academy of pediatrics and former secretary of state hillary clinton. this is what hillary clinton said most recently. >> lgbt americans are our colleagues, our teachers, our
good see you, richard. >> hi, fredricka. >> why do you suppose clinton at the time agreed to sign doma, despite being a supporter of gay rights. then have you o wonder whether his about-face will potentially make a difference. >> well, i think even though it was only 17 years ago when doma was pushed through congress by the republicans, it was politically very popular and president clinton was six weeks away from a re-election and i think that sums up why he signs it. i think...
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in fact, bill clinton who signed doma into law when he was president, is now asking the u.s. supreme court to overturn it. let's bring in cnn legal contributor powell cowen. how much will the reversal potentially make? >> supreme court justices would tell you they're immune from politicians lobbying them. they're appointed for life by the president, and the founding fathers frankly set up the system so you would have sort of an independent judiciary. i don't think bill clinton's position will have a major impact on the court. >> so what the constitutional argument that will be made to keep doma in place? >> well, there are two cases before the court this week. one on tuesday and one on wednesday. the first on tuesday is called the prop 8 case. california case, and it's very interesting because the california supreme court said gay marriage is legal. they said it's against the california constitution to ban it. and then lawyers came in and voters went out and they adopted prop 8, which amended the california constitution to make it illegal. so they stuck it to the judges and s
in fact, bill clinton who signed doma into law when he was president, is now asking the u.s. supreme court to overturn it. let's bring in cnn legal contributor powell cowen. how much will the reversal potentially make? >> supreme court justices would tell you they're immune from politicians lobbying them. they're appointed for life by the president, and the founding fathers frankly set up the system so you would have sort of an independent judiciary. i don't think bill clinton's position...
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i want to begin with you because you experienced the injury of doma which is to say what did doma mean in your life? what did it deny you would have had if doma was not will? >> i was in an interesting position because i was in the house with my husband during the debate in 1996. and even then, we saw that it was blatant discrimination against gay people. i remember that gerry went on the floor and spoke he made as much into and did everything every other member of congress did. but yet, the protections that their spouses would have would be denied me. little did i know that we would get married six years later and little did i know that he would die two years after that. it hurt then knowing that congress was putting a law on the books that hurt me personally. it was even harder after he died to know that what was in abstract point in the 1996 was now concrete reality that i was denied anything that a spouse of a federal employee for 25 years would have been given in due course. >> when would that have been? i mean -- presumably -- pension benefits. >> pension benefits. health insuran
i want to begin with you because you experienced the injury of doma which is to say what did doma mean in your life? what did it deny you would have had if doma was not will? >> i was in an interesting position because i was in the house with my husband during the debate in 1996. and even then, we saw that it was blatant discrimination against gay people. i remember that gerry went on the floor and spoke he made as much into and did everything every other member of congress did. but yet,...
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tosome of them only apply doma. and understand what you mean by uniformity, but it is for the justification of the defense of marriage act. >> by uniformity -- ? >> as i a understand it, for simplicity sake, the federal government does not want to discern between different gay couples and they want to treat them equally as bad. as unmarried. >> there are lots of gay couples that which they were married and are not married and not get all the benefits of treatment by the federal government. in other words, in order to treat all same-sex couples as unmarried, we will treat them all the same. >> what congress said in the defense of marriage act is that -- the interest here is making sure that a married couple in texas is treated the some -- the same as a married couple in massachusetts. so that it is uniform throughout. >> there are two categories of married people, those that get in and those who do not. we are distinguishing would sheen -- distinguishing between married couples. and they want there to be uniform trea
tosome of them only apply doma. and understand what you mean by uniformity, but it is for the justification of the defense of marriage act. >> by uniformity -- ? >> as i a understand it, for simplicity sake, the federal government does not want to discern between different gay couples and they want to treat them equally as bad. as unmarried. >> there are lots of gay couples that which they were married and are not married and not get all the benefits of treatment by the...
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let's start with doma. it's the federal law that defines marriage as a union between and a man and a woman. it keeps gays from get iting th same rights. president clinton signed doma into law in 1996. he now says it should be struck down. avery freedman from cleveland, good to e see you. >> hi, fredricka. >> and richard herman, good to see you as well. avery, you first on this. two cases before the supreme court. let's begin with doma. how much is at stake here? >> i think this is one of the great cases that the the supreme court will hear this term. that and prop eight. but doma which was compromised legislation and signed by bill clinton back in 1996 has always been questionable in terms of constitutionality. and two federal appeals courts have held that that law that restricts personnel rights that is by the federal government violates the constitution. it violates the equal protection law. in terms of the significance of it, it's really march madness. this is so important and so exciting because you hav
let's start with doma. it's the federal law that defines marriage as a union between and a man and a woman. it keeps gays from get iting th same rights. president clinton signed doma into law in 1996. he now says it should be struck down. avery freedman from cleveland, good to e see you. >> hi, fredricka. >> and richard herman, good to see you as well. avery, you first on this. two cases before the supreme court. let's begin with doma. how much is at stake here? >> i think...
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the same thing tomorrow with the defense of marriage act who where the president has said, doma is unconstitutional and prohibited the justice department from defending it. so chief justice tomorrow will probably say, who are you, what are you doing sneer you don't represent the federal government so these are two very unique procedural quirks the court may say, we're not ready to hear either case. >> shepard: in the first scenario that you mentioned, proposition 8 goes away, that affects california and california only jibe correct. >> shepard: then what what we expect to see in days, months, and years ahead, is a series of lawsuits individual to each stae that's correct. >> shepard: and then as the tide turns and people under the age of 25 don't understand why you care who else gets married. come on. then eventually the government would recognize that, when they say equal protection, they meant equal protection for everybody. for women, meant equal protection for black people, for gay people, they mean equal protection for all the people. and if the majority doesn't like it, that's too bad. >> tha
the same thing tomorrow with the defense of marriage act who where the president has said, doma is unconstitutional and prohibited the justice department from defending it. so chief justice tomorrow will probably say, who are you, what are you doing sneer you don't represent the federal government so these are two very unique procedural quirks the court may say, we're not ready to hear either case. >> shepard: in the first scenario that you mentioned, proposition 8 goes away, that affects...
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clinton who signed the defense of marriage act into law wrote an op-ed piece saying he believes that doma is, quote, incompatible with our constitution. the white house becomed hillary clinton to the majority side of marriage equality today. >> i can tell you that the president believes any time a public official of stature steps forward to embrace a commitment that he shares to equality for lbgt americans he thinks is a good thing. >> first of all, who is doing the lighting for that video? more godfather-y than i expected, that dark brooding look. >> it reminded me of the video she -- when she announced in 2008, it was that kind of soft, sing songy voice and lighting. listen, i don't think it is a surprise she has come out for same sex marriage. interesting this is her first post secretary of state announcement and now there's a lot of buzz around her possibly running in 2016. i think we have seen dramatic shift in public opinion. it happened swiftly. i remain shocked how much changed in the last couple years. if you go back to 2008, bush ran against same sex marriage and that in many wa
clinton who signed the defense of marriage act into law wrote an op-ed piece saying he believes that doma is, quote, incompatible with our constitution. the white house becomed hillary clinton to the majority side of marriage equality today. >> i can tell you that the president believes any time a public official of stature steps forward to embrace a commitment that he shares to equality for lbgt americans he thinks is a good thing. >> first of all, who is doing the lighting for...
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they include california's proposition 8 case on tuesday and the defense of marriage act or doma on wednesday. one of the top attorneys arguing against prop 8 which bans sa same-sex marriage in the state predicted a win while speaking on "meet the press." >> every time the supreme court makes a decision, it's making a decision that certain fundamental rights are too important to be left to the ballot box. we've done it with race, with women, with every discriminating class and, remember, when the united states supreme court outlawed the bans on interracial marriage in 1967, 64% of the american people opposed interracial marriage and yet when that decision came down, there wasn't a ripple. >> today more than 160 rallies are planned across the country in support of what advocates call marriage equality. a recent abc news/"washington post" poll shows most americans think same-sex marriage should be legal. a major shift from nine years ago when more people were against gay marriage than were for it. but the poll also shows a significant age divide. 70% of people under the age of 40 support same-s
they include california's proposition 8 case on tuesday and the defense of marriage act or doma on wednesday. one of the top attorneys arguing against prop 8 which bans sa same-sex marriage in the state predicted a win while speaking on "meet the press." >> every time the supreme court makes a decision, it's making a decision that certain fundamental rights are too important to be left to the ballot box. we've done it with race, with women, with every discriminating class and,...
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next on the docket the constitutionality of doma. give us a quick preview of that case. >> this is about whether the federal government can define marriage between a man and a women, therefore depriving anyone legally married state taxes, or military benefits et cetera. there are over a thousand federal laws currently keeping same-sex couples in new york for instance, from getting -- from getting recognition from the federal government. so the supreme court, i'm guessing by probably 6-3 vote with chief justice roberts and justice kennedy with the liberals will say that doma is patently unconstitutional, and that will allow the people in the states and the district of clum bee -- they will get to receive their benefits. >> michael: all right. tell me that you don't know more now that mike sacks has stopped by "the war room." coming up on "the war room," the politics of gay marriage can be complex and tangled as its legalities. karl frisch will tell us how both parties are trying to get in front of an issue moving faster than they are.
next on the docket the constitutionality of doma. give us a quick preview of that case. >> this is about whether the federal government can define marriage between a man and a women, therefore depriving anyone legally married state taxes, or military benefits et cetera. there are over a thousand federal laws currently keeping same-sex couples in new york for instance, from getting -- from getting recognition from the federal government. so the supreme court, i'm guessing by probably 6-3...
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tax return, and they can't get social security survivor's benefits and if the court upholds doe m s doma all is overturn and if it is overturned then the federal government will have to treat married people like married people. >> does it line up in the court that way as well? >> well, this is always a difficult question is what effect does public opinion have on the justices. the official answer is none. they apply the constitution, and the real world answer is plenty. there are five republicans and four democrats on the supreme court, and that is pretty much all you need to know, and however, one of the republicans is anthony kennedy who has been generally very supportive of gay rights and so many people think that he is going to join the democrats in vetting to overturn doma. >> and neither of us is old enough, but when we are are talking about interracial marriage i would imagine it is similar situation at that time. >> well, you know, the parallels to the case that you are referring to, "loving versus virginia" 1967, and the case that said states can no longer ban interracial marria
tax return, and they can't get social security survivor's benefits and if the court upholds doe m s doma all is overturn and if it is overturned then the federal government will have to treat married people like married people. >> does it line up in the court that way as well? >> well, this is always a difficult question is what effect does public opinion have on the justices. the official answer is none. they apply the constitution, and the real world answer is plenty. there are...
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conservative leader rand paul says he believes in traditional marriage, but not doma. >> "i don't want the government promoting something i don't believe in, but i also don't mind if the government tries to be neutral on the issue." >> reporter: although recent polls show a majority of americans support of same sex marriage, california's attorney general says it's more important to read the constitution. >> "i am absolutely against a ban on same-sex marriages because because they are simply unconstitutional." >> reporter: i'm cristina mutchler reporting for kron 4 news. >> a view from the golden gate. with rainfall, coming up. . [ female announcer ] safeway presents real big deals of the week. or how to get great prices on things you need for easter. we know you look around for the best deals, that's why we give you real big club card deals each week. right now a juicy smoked shank half ham is just 99 cents a pound. let's bake. safeway sugar is $1.97 for four pounds. and chobani greek yogurt is just a buck. real big deals this week and every week. only at safeway. ingredients for life.
conservative leader rand paul says he believes in traditional marriage, but not doma. >> "i don't want the government promoting something i don't believe in, but i also don't mind if the government tries to be neutral on the issue." >> reporter: although recent polls show a majority of americans support of same sex marriage, california's attorney general says it's more important to read the constitution. >> "i am absolutely against a ban on same-sex marriages...
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let's go to doma for a second. >> the importance of doma says the federal government cannot deny federal benefits to people just because they are involved in a same-sex marriage. every single issue we are concerned about, whether it's lbgt worker's women boment baum care, all of those issues will be played out in the context of the immigration bill. in my point there is no point of bringing people out of the shadows only to make them second class citizens. it's all of us liberty and justice for all that has to happen. >> michael: yeah "politico" has an article out saying that there are these republican -- big doers in the republican party, that are going to give a lot more money if republicans start taking a stand that says -- that legalizes gay marriage in america. how big of factor is this, and do you believe it? >> i absolutely think there are gay republicans, some of them are my friends, that say it's tough for me. they agree with the republican party on the economic front but not on social issues so i think that would tremendously help the republican party and when ted olson made an
let's go to doma for a second. >> the importance of doma says the federal government cannot deny federal benefits to people just because they are involved in a same-sex marriage. every single issue we are concerned about, whether it's lbgt worker's women boment baum care, all of those issues will be played out in the context of the immigration bill. in my point there is no point of bringing people out of the shadows only to make them second class citizens. it's all of us liberty and...
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no states permitted same-sex marriage when congress passed doma. now nine states do allow it along with washington, d.c. 38 others ban it either by law or constitutional amendment. >> what do we want? >> marriage equality. >> when? >> now. >> reporter: and public opinion polls show that more than half of americans now say they support it. that's why supporters of marriage for gay couples claim the cultural tide is moving in their direction. >> if the supreme court disagrees with these claims, history will not look fondly on it. but the court almost prides itself on moving very slowly, not being out in front of the culture, lagging behind some, and that's probably the dilemma for the justices. >> of course, we'll be watching that right here on nbc. that was nbc's pete williams reporting for us. >>> white house officials now say the united states is training syrian secular sources in neighboring jordan and has been for months. it's seen as a nonlethal way to forces battling the regime of al assad. the trainees are reportedly not being provided with w
no states permitted same-sex marriage when congress passed doma. now nine states do allow it along with washington, d.c. 38 others ban it either by law or constitutional amendment. >> what do we want? >> marriage equality. >> when? >> now. >> reporter: and public opinion polls show that more than half of americans now say they support it. that's why supporters of marriage for gay couples claim the cultural tide is moving in their direction. >> if the supreme...
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proposition 8, california's ban on gay marriage and doma. that is the federal defense of marriage act. the court's decision expected later this year. >>> prosecutors say a senior terror leader captured at sea nearly two years ago has turned out to be an intelligence watershed. in papers unsealed in court monday it was revealed that 25-year-old ahmed warsami pleaded guilty to being a commander in a somali terror group with ties to al qaeda in yep be. intelligence officials say he provided enormously valuable information about terror training, operatives and potential plots. >>> this will go down as the lost week of spring. the powerful snowstorm has moved out but another cold day is shaping up in many parts of the country. people from the midwest eastward are dealing with snow, slush and that ice storm from yesterday in parts of the south are under a freeze warning as well. lottery officials waiting for the winner of a $338 million powerball jackpot. >> here he is. >> pedro p-e-y-d-r-o. the fourth largest lottery jackpot there. that man pedro
proposition 8, california's ban on gay marriage and doma. that is the federal defense of marriage act. the court's decision expected later this year. >>> prosecutors say a senior terror leader captured at sea nearly two years ago has turned out to be an intelligence watershed. in papers unsealed in court monday it was revealed that 25-year-old ahmed warsami pleaded guilty to being a commander in a somali terror group with ties to al qaeda in yep be. intelligence officials say he...
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moment to look at the proposition 8 in california, and to declare it unconstitutional and also to repeal doma. these are two big cases. and it's going to have a major impact. >> terry, you cover the supreme court for us. it seems to put two justices especially in an interesting position, justice kennedy, the traditional swing vote for the justices. but maybe, even more chief justice john roberts, 58 years old, likely to be chief justice for a long time. you see how support for gay marriage has surged in the last year. even if he personally may be against it, he's likely to look and see, 10, 15 years, still sitting on the bench, it's going to be 70% support in the country. >> there's an institutional challenge to the court in the astonishing speed that the country has changed its mind. the people are way ahead of the elite. the president, when he ran for president was against gay marriage. the supreme court, was in a generation outlawed sodomy for gay people but not for straight people. they overturned that decision. he doesn't want to be that chief justice caught on the wrong side. at the sam
moment to look at the proposition 8 in california, and to declare it unconstitutional and also to repeal doma. these are two big cases. and it's going to have a major impact. >> terry, you cover the supreme court for us. it seems to put two justices especially in an interesting position, justice kennedy, the traditional swing vote for the justices. but maybe, even more chief justice john roberts, 58 years old, likely to be chief justice for a long time. you see how support for gay...
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. >> what the bill does -- >> reporter: now the defense of marriage act, also known by doma first passed by congress and signed by president clinton in 1996, is being challenged at the supreme court. >> it's being asked to decide whether or not congress can pass a law that treats same-sex couples who are already married under the laws of their state different from opposite sex couples. >> reporter: defenders of the law say congress has as much right as the states to make its own definition of marriage. >> doma is important because congress said it was important. i mean, we sent our elected representatives to washington, d.c., and they chose to say that marriage is one man and one woman for purposes of federal law. >> reporter: and conservatives say the founding fathers never contemplated gay marriage. >> because it's clearly not what anyone understood as marriage at the time of the framing of the constitution. >> reporter: still, same-sex families pay taxes and don't get the same benefit and the issue with doma really gets complicated if they have children who are also excluded from bene
. >> what the bill does -- >> reporter: now the defense of marriage act, also known by doma first passed by congress and signed by president clinton in 1996, is being challenged at the supreme court. >> it's being asked to decide whether or not congress can pass a law that treats same-sex couples who are already married under the laws of their state different from opposite sex couples. >> reporter: defenders of the law say congress has as much right as the states to make...
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the second case involves the defense of marriage act known as doma. that law defines marriage as between a man and a woman. right now people are lining up outside of the supreme court trying to get front-row seats to history. will the supreme court say i do to same-sex marriage or decide to punt? key players made their arguments today on cnn's "state of the union." >> we immediate to keep the debate live. americans on both sides of the issue are deeply invested on this debate of marriage and don't need a 50-state solution presented by the supreme court when our democratic institutions are perfectly capable of handling the issue. that's what the court will december glide the united states supreme court since the 1880s has 14 times described marriage as a fundmental right. when we are talking about this issue going before the court, we are talking about fundamental notions of people, justice, and liberty. >> >> supreme court's ruling may not come until june but the justices question during argument this week may reveal how they are leaning. bring in now
the second case involves the defense of marriage act known as doma. that law defines marriage as between a man and a woman. right now people are lining up outside of the supreme court trying to get front-row seats to history. will the supreme court say i do to same-sex marriage or decide to punt? key players made their arguments today on cnn's "state of the union." >> we immediate to keep the debate live. americans on both sides of the issue are deeply invested on this debate of...
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. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. ys into school break and they're already bored. hmm, we need a new game. ♪ that'll save the day. ♪ so will bounty select-a-size. it's the smaller powerful sheet. the only one with trap + lock technology. look! one select-a-size sheet of bounty is 50% more absorbent than a full size sheet of the leading ordinary brand. use less. with the small but powerful picker upper, bounty select-a-size. >>> it's been an exhilarating month for senator rand paul. his 13-hour filibuster inspired the hashtag, stand with rand, and trended worldwide. he was crowned king of the conservative world at cpac and the chairman of the iowa republican party has invited him to headline their annual lincoln dinner in may,
. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. ys into school break and they're already bored. hmm, we need a new game. ♪ that'll save the day. ♪ so will...
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. >> president obama called doma, the defense of marriage act unconstitutional. house republicans are defending it. a challenge to prop 8, a couple from the bay area, chris perry and sandy sterry and another couple from burbank are named plaintiffs in the case. it is us pekts the ruling is expected to come down sometime in july. >>> the coast guard will decide whether to resume the search for a missing 22-year-old man that vanished while swimming in the ocean. we toent roosevelt beach to play soccer and swim with some friends. went into the water and disappeared. the coast guard spent all night searching but they didn't find him. he worked at gin wan chinese restaurant. the owner says she considers him her own son. >> he is very, very good kid, very, very good kid. he hard working. he school. he working. >> the coast guard called off that search overnight. again, they will decide this morning whether to resume looking for lopez. >> 5:33. new this morning, the teenager is fighting for his life after an overnight stabbing in richmond. this morning, the suspect that
. >> president obama called doma, the defense of marriage act unconstitutional. house republicans are defending it. a challenge to prop 8, a couple from the bay area, chris perry and sandy sterry and another couple from burbank are named plaintiffs in the case. it is us pekts the ruling is expected to come down sometime in july. >>> the coast guard will decide whether to resume the search for a missing 22-year-old man that vanished while swimming in the ocean. we toent roosevelt...
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my two cents, i think the court will decide on doma. you cannot have a situation where federal law is unconstitutional in new england and it is constitutional in the rest of the country. what you do with the irs? one way or the other, the supreme court has got to decide whether or not doma is constitutional or not. host: if people are listening today, they will be hearing a past president cases that could be brought -- precedent cases that could be brought up. -- brought up? guest: this is not an area where there is a lot of precedent. the only to go opinions are the ones justice kennedy wrote in 1996 -- he wrote an opinion that struck down an anti-gay a voter initiative in colorado and said that this law reflects animosity to particular group of fellow citizens and you do that. he also wrote an opinion in 2003 that struck down the last of the sex acts -- laws that targeted days. he said that gays and lesbians are entitled to respect, not to be demeaned by the law, and that you cannot do that. a lot of people cite those precedents as sa
my two cents, i think the court will decide on doma. you cannot have a situation where federal law is unconstitutional in new england and it is constitutional in the rest of the country. what you do with the irs? one way or the other, the supreme court has got to decide whether or not doma is constitutional or not. host: if people are listening today, they will be hearing a past president cases that could be brought -- precedent cases that could be brought up. -- brought up? guest: this is not...
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. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting tacky little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable - secure - agile. and with responsive, dedicated support, we help you shine every day of the week. these are sandra's "homemade" yummy, scrumptious bars. hmm? i just wanted you to eat more fiber. chewy, oatie, gooeyness... and fraudulence. i'm in deep, babe. you certainly are. [ male announcer ] fiber one. [ man ] excuse me miss. [ gasps ] this fiber one 90 calorie brownie has all the deliciousness you desire. the brownie of your
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. >>> proposition 8 and doma are about to have their day in court. but can the gop unstick itself and its platform from the 1950s? >>> and a former president is channeling bob ross by spending his time painting happy little dogs. "new york" magazine art critic jerry saltz will tell us why this may be the best thing george w. bush has ever done. hang around. >> trees are closer to us -- whoooo! you're crazy. go faster! go faster! go faster! go faster! no! stop...stop... (mom) i raised my son to be careful... hi, sweetie. hi, mom. (mom) but just to be safe... i got a subaru. (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. ( bull roar ) ...if you don't attend the running of the bulls. ole! >>> it's been an exhilarating month for senator rand paul. his 13-hour filibuster inspired the hashtag, stand with rand, and trended worldwide. he was crowned king of the conservative world at cpac and the chairman of the iowa republican party has invited him to headline their annual lincoln dinner in may, citing his 2016 potential. meanwhile, politico reports to
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man, i fullyting expect doma will be struck down. the issue has been devolved so rapidly and has gained such support across a broad range of constituencies that i predict doma will fall. that will be ok. we will be able to move along from there. slide, please. the issue i have seen some effort done, and this has been an interesting one to see ball over many years. i came to the army in 1976. servedl soldiers that and they had turbins. if you know anything about the quality of seek an gurkha soldiers, i said, we can live with this. sometime along the way, we thought, we no longer allow people to have different apparel and different uniform standards. the idea that you could serve as a siek and honor your faith wearing a turban, that was denied. at some point, there was a supreme court case involving a rabbi. the idea was, if you could wear a yarmulkes and hide it under normal military head gear, that would be ok. under that decision, we then had jewish rabbis and others serving openly. that was fine. that was the only accommodation ma
man, i fullyting expect doma will be struck down. the issue has been devolved so rapidly and has gained such support across a broad range of constituencies that i predict doma will fall. that will be ok. we will be able to move along from there. slide, please. the issue i have seen some effort done, and this has been an interesting one to see ball over many years. i came to the army in 1976. servedl soldiers that and they had turbins. if you know anything about the quality of seek an gurkha...
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regardless of sexual orientation. >> reporter: house republicans are now defending doma in court. >> the administration doesn't get to decide what is constitutional. the supreme court does. and our phillipsing of the lawsuit was to make sure that the proper forum was used to make sure that we know what is constitutional and what isn't. >> that was nbc's pete williams reporting. >>> postal workers across the country were out today to deliver a loud message to their boss. >> what do we want? >> the postmaster general wants to end saturday mail service to save about $2 billion a year. well, postal workers and supporters say the move is counterproductive and hurts both customers and employees. they're calling for a plan that would explore new business opportunities and revenue streams instead. saturday delivery is set to stop in august. >>> coming up, the research behind the benefits of owning a pet, and why it may help cancer patients. >>> plus, thousands were on hand as pope francis celebrated his first palm sunday mass. but you might be surprised by his message today. ♪ . >>> pope f
regardless of sexual orientation. >> reporter: house republicans are now defending doma in court. >> the administration doesn't get to decide what is constitutional. the supreme court does. and our phillipsing of the lawsuit was to make sure that the proper forum was used to make sure that we know what is constitutional and what isn't. >> that was nbc's pete williams reporting. >>> postal workers across the country were out today to deliver a loud message to their...